Comments on: Report: Big Ten Soon To Present Expansion Plan http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397 Celebrity sports gossip since 2001 Fri, 25 May 2012 18:41:32 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Bob http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-211098 Bob Tue, 11 May 2010 02:06:29 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-211098 A couple facts need to be dealt with. 1st, the Big 10 is going to look hard at academics along with athletics. In particular, to see if ANY school they might consider belongs to the Association of American Colleges and Universities, as Omagraw and Jake point out. It might not be the deciding factor but it'll carry A LOT of weight. Many of the schools mentioned in previous posts are members, including the 4 attributed to today's report. West Virginia is not. Texas is not. Pitt is not. Consider them out of the running. 2nd, rivalries. I can't speak for other leagues, but in the Big 10, there are traditional rivals and regional rivals. For instance, Ohio State's traditional rival is Michigan. Their regional rival is Penn State. That's why both are on OSU's schedule every year. Texas is again out of the mix because it would lose its traditional rival, A&M, as well as their regional rival, Oklahoma. That game is in October. By that time, the Big 10 is already playing conference games. Now for an opinion. Notre Dame isn't a good fit for the Big 10 and has said so before. 1st of all, their strength of schedule would take a huge hit because of weaker teams within the league. They can schedule tougher competition as an independent and qualify for a better bowl than the ones the Big 10 has agreements with. Also, Notre Dame football has had a national media contract...either radio or TV...for DECADES. That alone guarantees them millions of dollars, which would be sacrificed by joining the Big 10. Their TV network only assures you of 2 games a year plus any other games another network MIGHT pick up. Quite a difference! My choices? There are 3. Missouri, UConn, Vanderbilt. A couple facts need to be dealt with. 1st, the Big 10 is going to look hard at academics along with athletics. In particular, to see if ANY school they might consider belongs to the Association of American Colleges and Universities, as Omagraw and Jake point out. It might not be the deciding factor but it’ll carry A LOT of weight.
Many of the schools mentioned in previous posts are members, including the 4 attributed to today’s report. West Virginia is not. Texas is not. Pitt is not. Consider them out of the running.
2nd, rivalries. I can’t speak for other leagues, but in the Big 10, there are traditional rivals and regional rivals. For instance, Ohio State’s traditional rival is Michigan. Their regional rival is Penn State. That’s why both are on OSU’s schedule every year. Texas is again out of the mix because it would lose its traditional rival, A&M, as well as their regional rival, Oklahoma. That game is in October. By that time, the Big 10 is already playing conference games.
Now for an opinion. Notre Dame isn’t a good fit for the Big 10 and has said so before. 1st of all, their strength of schedule would take a huge hit because of weaker teams within the league. They can schedule tougher competition as an independent and qualify for a better bowl than the ones the Big 10 has agreements with.
Also, Notre Dame football has had a national media contract…either radio or TV…for DECADES. That alone guarantees them millions of dollars, which would be sacrificed by joining the Big 10. Their TV network only assures you of 2 games a year plus any other games another network MIGHT pick up. Quite a difference!
My choices? There are 3. Missouri, UConn, Vanderbilt.

]]> By: Chris http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-168633 Chris Sun, 24 Jan 2010 04:47:44 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-168633 PITT??? are you serious? They don't have their own football stadium let alone the fair weather fans. WVU is the best choice by far! PITT??? are you serious? They don’t have their own football stadium let alone the fair weather fans. WVU is the best choice by far!

]]> By: adam http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-159518 adam Sun, 20 Dec 2009 06:29:54 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-159518 temple. hells yeah temple. hells yeah

]]> By: pb http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158225 pb Wed, 16 Dec 2009 20:54:56 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158225 Louisville makes sense. 5 big 10 schools within a 4-5 hr drive, fans travel very well, a new 22,000 seat basketball arena that will be full every night, 56,000 seat football stadium that can be expanded to over 80,000 seats. Why the big 10 would want pitt, rutgers or syracuse is beyond me. Those fans dont travel well at all. And if you think the big 10 would not gain nothing with Louisville you are nuts! Look at the top bball schools profit and tv ratings. There is alot more to gain with Louisville than Mizzou. Your not gonna boost football in any aspect unless you get Notre Dame, not gonna happen. Louisville could be a very strong Big 10 city…tons of Indiana and Ohio St. fans live here in Louisville. Me as a louisville fan would love to play in the Big 10…and a football championship game! Louisville is on pace to become an AAU member as well...Mich St. did not become a member until 10 years after they joined the big 10. Louisville makes sense. 5 big 10 schools within a 4-5 hr drive, fans travel very well, a new 22,000 seat basketball arena that will be full every night, 56,000 seat football stadium that can be expanded to over 80,000 seats. Why the big 10 would want pitt, rutgers or syracuse is beyond me. Those fans dont travel well at all.
And if you think the big 10 would not gain nothing with Louisville you are nuts! Look at the top bball schools profit and tv ratings. There is alot more to gain with Louisville than Mizzou. Your not gonna boost football in any aspect unless you get Notre Dame, not gonna happen. Louisville could be a very strong Big 10 city…tons of Indiana and Ohio St. fans live here in Louisville. Me as a louisville fan would love to play in the Big 10…and a football championship game!
Louisville is on pace to become an AAU member as well…Mich St. did not become a member until 10 years after they joined the big 10.

]]> By: KMc http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158149 KMc Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:00:07 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158149 ok, think of the new confrence name the BIGGER 12? ok, think of the new confrence name the BIGGER 12?

]]> By: KMc http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158148 KMc Wed, 16 Dec 2009 17:00:00 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158148 ok, think of the new confrence namw the BIGGER 12? ok, think of the new confrence namw the BIGGER 12?

]]> By: buff1040 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158129 buff1040 Wed, 16 Dec 2009 15:37:44 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158129 For everyone out there who is ragging WVU's academics, how many Rhodes Scholars has your school produced? If it's a public school then the answer is less than WVU, and that's a fact. I think everyone is missing the big picture here, and that this whole announcement about expansion has one goal: Notre Dame. If Notre Dame says no, the Big 10 will most likely say they have looked into expansion and do not feel it is a good option at this time. Honestly if Notre Dame doesn't join (which it won't), the only team that would move might be Iowa State, who used to be in the Big 10 anyway. And that's the best situation for everyone involved. The Big 10 gets their coveted conference championship game, and the Big 12 will probably invited TCU to join. If it decided to go after Arkansas, then that opens up a lot of possibilities. For everyone out there who is ragging WVU’s academics, how many Rhodes Scholars has your school produced? If it’s a public school then the answer is less than WVU, and that’s a fact.

I think everyone is missing the big picture here, and that this whole announcement about expansion has one goal: Notre Dame. If Notre Dame says no, the Big 10 will most likely say they have looked into expansion and do not feel it is a good option at this time. Honestly if Notre Dame doesn’t join (which it won’t), the only team that would move might be Iowa State, who used to be in the Big 10 anyway.

And that’s the best situation for everyone involved. The Big 10 gets their coveted conference championship game, and the Big 12 will probably invited TCU to join. If it decided to go after Arkansas, then that opens up a lot of possibilities.

]]> By: ronnie http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158119 ronnie Wed, 16 Dec 2009 14:39:09 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158119 after listening to all arguments. I am convinced Temple makes the best choice. Their football program will go thru the roof with the big ten. Huge market. after listening to all arguments. I am convinced Temple makes the best choice. Their football program will go thru the roof with the big ten. Huge market.

]]> By: Mike http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158077 Mike Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:48:41 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-158077 RU has beaten USF, uconn, syracuse, pitt 4 of the last 5 years. beaten louisville 3 of 5. RU has the most conference wins in the last 5 years behind WVU and cincy (barely behind cincy - was ahead before this year, and nobody knows what will happen after the brian kelly era). it's true that RU is 4th in the BE this year, but recently overall i'd say 3rd. so for big 10 expansion, i'd say... ND is #1 - but that's not gonna happen. they will likely ask privately and get a no. for the rest of the options: AAU members (all of big 10) = RU, pitt, syracuse, missouri, nebraska US NEWS WR tier 1 university with decent academics (all of big 10) = RU, pitt, syracuse, maybe missouri (ranked 102) public university (all of big 10 except northwestern) = RU, pitt, missouri undergrad enrollment of 20,000+ (all except northwestern) = RU, pitt, missouri land grant institutions (7 schools of big 10) = RU, missouri "eastern travel partner" for PSU mentioned in the statement released earlier today = RU, pitt, syracuse wild cards... RU and RU alone has the potential TV markets of NYC, NJ, and Philly. those are the country's 1st and 7th largest TV markets... waiting to be tapped by the BTN. our stadium expansion looked a bit silly after the shellacking we got from cincy on labor day on nat'l TV, but you'd be an idiot if you think we couldn't sell out every time PSU, OSU, Michigan came to NJ, probably even after doubling ticket prices, no matter how poorly we play. this is where the traditional lack of respect for RU works in our favor, because PSU had the most fans until recently. they would all come out of the woodwork to go to big 10 games at RU. similarly, the NY market is owned by pro sports, and the limited college FB presences there are (in no particular order) ND, PSU, and RU. even if RU comes third, why WOULDN'T the big 10 consolidate their NY TV presence by snapping up the 3rd largest constituency? and i'd bet RU isn't 3rd, and that RU fans are definitely the fastest growing NYC demographic out of those 3. add to that the fact that RU (and neither of the other two) is about 90 minutes away from philly... which by itself is larger than any other TV market in the big 10. looks like an easy answer. additionally, PSU/joePA doesn't really want pitt, and syracuse is closer to toronto than it is to NY, and i think the table is set. RU has beaten USF, uconn, syracuse, pitt 4 of the last 5 years. beaten louisville 3 of 5. RU has the most conference wins in the last 5 years behind WVU and cincy (barely behind cincy - was ahead before this year, and nobody knows what will happen after the brian kelly era). it’s true that RU is 4th in the BE this year, but recently overall i’d say 3rd.

so for big 10 expansion, i’d say…

ND is #1 - but that’s not gonna happen. they will likely ask privately and get a no.

for the rest of the options:

AAU members (all of big 10) = RU, pitt, syracuse, missouri, nebraska

US NEWS WR tier 1 university with decent academics (all of big 10) = RU, pitt, syracuse, maybe missouri (ranked 102)

public university (all of big 10 except northwestern) = RU, pitt, missouri

undergrad enrollment of 20,000+ (all except northwestern) = RU, pitt, missouri

land grant institutions (7 schools of big 10) = RU, missouri

“eastern travel partner” for PSU mentioned in the statement released earlier today = RU, pitt, syracuse

wild cards… RU and RU alone has the potential TV markets of NYC, NJ, and Philly. those are the country’s 1st and 7th largest TV markets… waiting to be tapped by the BTN. our stadium expansion looked a bit silly after the shellacking we got from cincy on labor day on nat’l TV, but you’d be an idiot if you think we couldn’t sell out every time PSU, OSU, Michigan came to NJ, probably even after doubling ticket prices, no matter how poorly we play. this is where the traditional lack of respect for RU works in our favor, because PSU had the most fans until recently. they would all come out of the woodwork to go to big 10 games at RU.

similarly, the NY market is owned by pro sports, and the limited college FB presences there are (in no particular order) ND, PSU, and RU. even if RU comes third, why WOULDN’T the big 10 consolidate their NY TV presence by snapping up the 3rd largest constituency? and i’d bet RU isn’t 3rd, and that RU fans are definitely the fastest growing NYC demographic out of those 3. add to that the fact that RU (and neither of the other two) is about 90 minutes away from philly… which by itself is larger than any other TV market in the big 10. looks like an easy answer.

additionally, PSU/joePA doesn’t really want pitt, and syracuse is closer to toronto than it is to NY, and i think the table is set.

]]> By: TruBru http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-157999 TruBru Wed, 16 Dec 2009 02:04:43 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/report-big-ten-soon-to-present-expansion-plan-27397#comment-157999 Don't underestimate the academic viewpoint, in 1994 Texas was going to bolt to the PAC-10, mainly for academic reasons: Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA were where they wanted to be. Texas A&M were also interested in coming west. Stanford vetoed (PAC-10 expansion requires a unanimous vote), and Texas then looked towards where A&M really wanted to be, the SEC. The SEC was courting Miami, and when that broke down, they were hot and heavy on A&M, but Texas balked at the low academic standards of the SEC. Texas and A&M even tried the Big10, the only thing that really sent them to the Big-12 was geography and the PAC-10 and Big10 said no. Really good article on in here: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA081405_3N_SWCbaylor_tech_1ca3e1c_html8528.html And the most important quote from the Big10 "We have eight states. With expansion, you could have nine." Seemingly rules out a lot of teams discussed above. I love the idea of schools moving around, it seems like playing a general, deciding where you fight. Don’t underestimate the academic viewpoint, in 1994 Texas was going to bolt to the PAC-10, mainly for academic reasons: Berkeley, Stanford, UCLA were where they wanted to be. Texas A&M were also interested in coming west. Stanford vetoed (PAC-10 expansion requires a unanimous vote), and Texas then looked towards where A&M really wanted to be, the SEC. The SEC was courting Miami, and when that broke down, they were hot and heavy on A&M, but Texas balked at the low academic standards of the SEC. Texas and A&M even tried the Big10, the only thing that really sent them to the Big-12 was geography and the PAC-10 and Big10 said no. Really good article on in here: http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/MYSA081405_3N_SWCbaylor_tech_1ca3e1c_html8528.html

And the most important quote from the Big10 “We have eight states. With expansion, you could have nine.” Seemingly rules out a lot of teams discussed above.

I love the idea of schools moving around, it seems like playing a general, deciding where you fight.

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