Comments on: How Much Does Baseball Miss the Black Player? http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403 Celebrity sports gossip since 2001 Fri, 04 Dec 2009 17:17:23 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.1 By: Tuffy http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1625 Tuffy Tue, 24 Jun 2008 11:14:19 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1625 Which stats? Every at bat by every center fielder since 1954 or every coach, manager, and front office position since 1954? Which stats? Every at bat by every center fielder since 1954 or every coach, manager, and front office position since 1954?

]]> By: BamBam http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1623 BamBam Mon, 23 Jun 2008 22:01:53 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1623 Look at the stats Tuffy. Sample size is an issue here. Look at the stats Tuffy. Sample size is an issue here.

]]> By: Tuffy http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1616 Tuffy Mon, 23 Jun 2008 10:44:14 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1616 Did you see Sunday Night Baseball? If the Cubs had the College of Coaches, the White Sox might as well be Rainbow U. I couldn't disagree more. Did you see Sunday Night Baseball? If the Cubs had the College of Coaches, the White Sox might as well be Rainbow U. I couldn’t disagree more.

]]> By: BamBam http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1614 BamBam Mon, 23 Jun 2008 05:26:42 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1614 The owner's choices in field managers, front office positions, and other coaching positions would also very much support Brooks' theory. The owner’s choices in field managers, front office positions, and other coaching positions would also very much support Brooks’ theory.

]]> By: Signal to Noise http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1611 Signal to Noise Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:40:01 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1611 Tuffy - re: the chart. Hm. I don't subscribe to BP, but still, can't explain that one away. But I'm with you on the money part. An owner would not actively go out of his way to cut out black players intentionally, but with profits through the roof with a declining number of black players, they're not going to go out of their way for an outreach effort as much. Tuffy - re: the chart. Hm. I don’t subscribe to BP, but still, can’t explain that one away. But I’m with you on the money part. An owner would not actively go out of his way to cut out black players intentionally, but with profits through the roof with a declining number of black players, they’re not going to go out of their way for an outreach effort as much.

]]> By: Signal to Noise http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1610 Signal to Noise Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:35:32 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1610 Brooks - there is that, and it fits into the overall trend of owners and teams emphasizing academies in Latin America, where players are not subject to the draft and can be had on the cheap. Brooks - there is that, and it fits into the overall trend of owners and teams emphasizing academies in Latin America, where players are not subject to the draft and can be had on the cheap.

]]> By: Tuffy http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1609 Tuffy Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:35:06 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1609 I can't post the chart here in good conscience, S2N, but the decline from 1954 to today is steady. The last few years are just the lowest spot on a very clear trend line. I can’t post the chart here in good conscience, S2N, but the decline from 1954 to today is steady. The last few years are just the lowest spot on a very clear trend line.

]]> By: Tuffy http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1608 Tuffy Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:33:49 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1608 I cannot imagine there is a single owner that doesn't want the black player back in larger numbers for moral reasons and for economic ones. Those parks don't usually fill themselves and everyone can buy a hat because someone they can relate with wears the same hat. Owners are always motivated by money. I cannot imagine there is a single owner that doesn’t want the black player back in larger numbers for moral reasons and for economic ones. Those parks don’t usually fill themselves and everyone can buy a hat because someone they can relate with wears the same hat. Owners are always motivated by money.

]]> By: Signal to Noise http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1607 Signal to Noise Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:33:00 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1607 For now I want to say the CF position is going through a down cycle in power and overall offense. There are quite a few starting center fielders that are not batting high in the line-up (thus, not power/average guys or guys who will get on base reliably.) CF was always viewed as a five-tool position, and a lot of those players currently in the league are having disappointing seasons (Sizemore), doing OK but under much higher expectations (Beltran), have switched to teams that don't emphasize their power numbers as much (Hunter), or are on a serious decline (Andruw Jones). Given the lack of the five-tool guy in CF, managers will go to the guy who can cover the defensive territory. For now I want to say the CF position is going through a down cycle in power and overall offense. There are quite a few starting center fielders that are not batting high in the line-up (thus, not power/average guys or guys who will get on base reliably.)

CF was always viewed as a five-tool position, and a lot of those players currently in the league are having disappointing seasons (Sizemore), doing OK but under much higher expectations (Beltran), have switched to teams that don’t emphasize their power numbers as much (Hunter), or are on a serious decline (Andruw Jones). Given the lack of the five-tool guy in CF, managers will go to the guy who can cover the defensive territory.

]]> By: Brooks http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1606 Brooks Sun, 22 Jun 2008 16:28:19 +0000 http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/how-much-does-baseball-miss-the-black-player-18403#comment-1606 I think a valid (and taboo) question to also ask is do the powers in MLB (see ownership) want black players back? I think some probably don't. Perhaps that's one of the reasons for the roster-demo trend we're seeing. It's a stretch, and hasn't been talked about much, but I think there could be something there (I worked in baseball (majors and minors) for 16 years, so I'm not just talking out of my a$$ here). I think a valid (and taboo) question to also ask is do the powers in MLB (see ownership) want black players back? I think some probably don’t.

Perhaps that’s one of the reasons for the roster-demo trend we’re seeing. It’s a stretch, and hasn’t been talked about much, but I think there could be something there (I worked in baseball (majors and minors) for 16 years, so I’m not just talking out of my a$$ here).

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