Here are images of the physical copies of emails between Jim Tressel and an unidentified individual with an undisclosed relationship to Columbus Tattoo Parlor owner Edward Rife.
WTVN radio in Columbus was first to post the actual emails on the web after images of the scanned copies were provided to attendees of the Ohio State press conference in Columbus today.
NBC 4 in Columbus has also posted clear copies of the emails.
I will have much more on this story soon.
A very unfortunate day for Tressel and Ohio State.
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9:02 pm on March 8th, 2011
Great investigative work, thanks!!
9:19 pm on March 8th, 2011
Well its not like he willfully withheld information from his athletic department regarding possible NCAA violations. He didn’t allow his players to keep playing after being notified of their financial involvement with a potentially dangerous person. He certainly didn’t fail to clear the air at a press conference in December involving this situation.
I just don’t understand why he’s being punished. The moral high ground resides in Columbus.
I’m so glad he was able to meet with players today to discuss adversity and the need to stand together. I know that defending and protecting cheaters is a noble and just position with many lifelong lessons attached to it.
9:25 pm on March 8th, 2011
I love how they blacked out the “unidentified” individual name from the “to” and the body of the email, but forgot to black out the gigantic header. I wonder how many reporters are calling Doug Archie right about now?
9:28 pm on March 8th, 2011
one of the best days in recent MICHIGAN history…
how do we get so publicly lambasted for forgetting to report a few PRACTICE hours…
these guys were blatantly and knowingly violating NCCA rules. get rid of them all
GO BLUE
9:29 pm on March 8th, 2011
Scam: The header at the top of the email is the name of the person that printed out the emails. Doug Archie is the Associate Athletics Director for Compliance and Camps at OSU
9:57 pm on March 8th, 2011
I hate Ohio State so with that said these email look a tad fake. Does anyone seriously think Jim Tressel responds back to people with exclaimation points? and would respond to the claims the guy made by saying Go Bucks!!
10:02 pm on March 8th, 2011
Let’s be clear. Sportsbybrooks does no “investigative journalism”. He is merely lifting the work of others and posting it here.
10:16 pm on March 8th, 2011
Holy crap, Mick, you are dumber than shit.
10:23 pm on March 8th, 2011
Yeah Mick, you’re probably right. It seems like OSU leaked fake emails damming their coach immediately after saying they were standing by him.
That is more likely than an older football coach, who probably isn’t real computer savvy, not following your ideal email format.
10:25 pm on March 8th, 2011
And yes James, you’re right, sportsbybrooks is still just a convenient aggregate.
11:04 pm on March 8th, 2011
Any chance that Yahoo Sports stole confidential email content unlawfully?? before they actually requested the info legally?
11:26 pm on March 8th, 2011
Poker…
The problem is he knew about the free tattoos, selling of rings, etc. back in April according to these e-mails. When the NCCA confronted Ohio State in december with the information they said it was the first time they had heard of it. That’s where the violation happened. Just because someone told you something that was “confidential” doesn’t mean they supersede the rules of your sport’s governing body.
Look at the Bruce Pearl situation… two high school juniors went to his house for a BBQ, which is a secondary violation because it’s perfectly fine for high school seniors to attend them. An assistant lied to the NCAA saying that it didn’t happen and Bruce lied to the NCAA when asked about it later to cover for his assistant. The NCAA has since devastated his career over a BBQ held at his house with no free tattoos or monetary compensation for championship rings/trophies.
I’d say that Tressel is in more trouble than you think. Is it necessary? No, but that’s the rule. He didn’t tell the NCAA about the violations when they happened and therefore lied to the NCAA in December.
11:34 pm on March 8th, 2011
“A very unforunate day for Tressel and Ohio State” ????
Because they got caught?
Or because Tressel said “uh” about 37 times during the press confrence? I’m no polygraph administer, but when I tell the truth I dont need to stop every 8 seconds to remember the story that the $40,000-an-hour lawyer has drilled in my head for the last 17 hours.
How were those players allowed to play in the Sugar Bowl again?
The Cash Cow never has to pay the piper, and it will continue to be that way.
I’m sure that the NCAA will be so mad at Ohio St. that they will put Cleveland St. on probation.
11:43 pm on March 8th, 2011
You are all crazy. People don’t send emails and start every sentence with a bullet point. the “lawyer” can’t spell tattoo. How could someone really get these documents if they can’t even talk about them on tv? Do you really think Yahoo would get these documents unlawfully? They would get shut down. At OSU our name wouldnt come up as “Tressel, Jim” it would be “Jim Tressel” or tressel.3@osu.edu. And a lawyer would say “I have friends in law enforcement and the raided the house of …” if the investigation was over the names would be released. A lawyer would not leave a p.s.s.s. that’s stupid. Not even locations are named besides the guy who took the rings. The lawyer said “I like the world you live in” to Coach Tressel? Whoever the M!ch!g@n idiot who says this is part of history is a moron. Go get an education. And S. Ross, really CSU? What are you even talking about? THESE AREN’T REAL.
11:48 pm on March 8th, 2011
@The Truth-
See: Jerry Tarkainian quotes about the NCAA- then I’m sure you could make the connection
11:51 pm on March 8th, 2011
@The truth….see- Jerry Tarkainian
Even if the Emails are fake, Tressel is still obligated to report their contents, not withhold them for 7 months and then lie about it when confronted.
11:57 pm on March 8th, 2011
But, but, but, but… the SEC are the cheaters! They always cheat, pay players, etc….at least, according to the non-SEC masses on the interwebz.
I will be the first to admit the SEC has had (and still has) it’s share of NCAA troubles. But for some reason these Big 10 and Pac-10 fans (among others) continuously claim the SEC are cheaters and unethical, and their own programs and conferences “play fair”.
In the past couple of weeks Oregon and OSU have come under fire. Go back over the past year or two and you can add USC and Michigan to that list. That’s just a few off the top of my head.
Glass houses and such.
11:58 pm on March 8th, 2011
Glad they decided not to block out the email addresses. Those are going to get spammed to holy hell now by everyone and their mother.
11:58 pm on March 8th, 2011
Pryor is a punk and a thug. Tressel sold his soul to the devil. The chickens always come home to roost. Ye reap what ye sow.
12:03 am on March 9th, 2011
He is a repeat offender. These emails look fake, that said, youngstown st.., committed violations, he bolts and gets a job at The Ohio State Tattoo Parlor and then he got Clarett driving in rental cars or cars owned by dealerships, troy smith was suspended for taking 500 from boosters, and now this tattoo pryor incident, along with 3 speeding tickets he got out of while driving cars owned by a dealership. If something isnt done more severe to him, the Luckeyes will rise again.
12:06 am on March 9th, 2011
Yeah, the Pryor loaner car scam is an option that is available to all OHOWIHATEOHIOSTATE undergrads. Athletic department investigated that and said “nothing to see…keep moving”. O$U is a disgrace to the BIG10. Pryor has had access to a corvette since SR year in high school, courtesy of a Jeannette, PA businessman who, ironically, happens to be an O$U fan. You don’t think any drugs changed hands at the tattoo parlor when the Bowl Boys traded shizzle with the con, do you?
12:07 am on March 9th, 2011
I still don’t understand the retarded Buckeye fans here thinking these are fake. THESE ARE THE EMAILS OHIO STATE PASSED OUT AT THE NEWS CONFERENCE. THESE WERE PRINTED OUT BY DOUG ARCHIE (see the header), ASSOCIATE AD AT OSU AND HEAD OF COMPLIANCE. Ohio State attached these to the letter they sent the NCAA. Good lord, that Big 10 education isn’t worth much.
12:07 am on March 9th, 2011
The most hilarious part is the ps pss psss. Too funny!!! Post script script script.
12:10 am on March 9th, 2011
Ohio State and Tressel skate on this one. Since Tressel came to OSU there have been approx 375 ncaa violations. He left Youngstown St. on probation. Bye, bye Mr Cheaterpants Sweatervest…………
12:10 am on March 9th, 2011
Tressel really kept quiet cause he was wanting to sell his sweatervest to the drug dealing punk before every thing blew up. No, not toPryor, the tattoo parlor con.
12:20 am on March 9th, 2011
What upstanding young man once said the following: “…everyone kills people… steals from you, steals from me..
I think that people need a second chance, and I’ve always looked up to Mike Vick, and I always will.”
12:26 am on March 9th, 2011
it’s so obvious Tressel didn’t believe the guy, but was still classy enough to say, Have a happy easter! go bucks!!
How often do these coaches receive emails of concern like this?
1:16 am on March 9th, 2011
No one copies and pastes real journalists’ stories like Brooks. Bravo, you twit!
1:32 am on March 9th, 2011
Let’s match up the emails with this quote by Tressel from earlier today
Tressel said at a news conference in Columbus that he allowed two players who were mentioned in the April e-mail to play last season because he did not want to “interfere with a federal investigation.” The university said it learned of the investigation in December from the United States attorney.
AAAAAAAH Liar Liar Pants on Fire.
4:41 am on March 9th, 2011
It sounds to me that a shady defense attorney was conning Tressel into interfering in a federal investigation. He not only didn’t abide by NCAA rules and honor his contract he has also possibly broken the law by conspiring to obstruct a Federal investigation. None of this passes the smell test and now it appears that OSU has become involved in the cover up. Doesn’t anyone at that university have any integrity? Where are the regents? This sounds a lot like SMU in their blackest hour. The death penalty should not be off the table for the NCAA sanctions when the past infractions under Tressel’s time are combined with this latest fiasco.
4:58 am on March 9th, 2011
tell me what I need to do, if anything. So he did nothing but cross his fingers. This has got to be the biggest embarrassment in the history of OSU. You Buckeyes can drop the “the” now.
6:21 am on March 9th, 2011
Michigoons just all over this one. Get ready for another beating, Losers
8:37 am on March 9th, 2011
Ohio State cheats!
Signed,
Cam Newton’s dad
9:09 am on March 9th, 2011
Hey “The Truth”
Look at the 1st email in the “TO” line, ya see that? It says To: Tressel.3@osu.edu. Then, if you’re familiar with Outlook, the sender can save that email as a contact however he would like, whether it be Jim Tressel, Tressel, Jim, or cheating sweater vest. Once he did that the reply would then come back from the contact’s name, however he saved it, in this case it was Tressel, Jim.
Bravo Homer!
9:18 am on March 9th, 2011
Doug Archie is the Compliance Officer at Ohio State - so doesn’t this mean he WAS informed?
9:41 am on March 9th, 2011
If they would just start paying these kids all of this type stuff goes away. Standard salary across the board, nothing big, but enough to buy a few tattoos if you want them. Sports are such a cash cow for these schools, why not pay the kids just a little piece of those profits. Problem solved!
9:52 am on March 9th, 2011
I hope you are being blessed. Look, it’s possible I might have been completely honest with my school. Or the NCAA investigators. Or at this press conference. But listen, if you’ve ever had a lover lie to you about something important, then you know there’s no reason to distrust anything else he or she says. These were the only fibs I’ve ever told. I hope you are being blessed.
10:01 am on March 9th, 2011
If you step back from this (forget a minute any hate or love for OSU), and put yourself in Tressel’s shoes. I’d probably have done just what he did here. At least for me, on the surface it appears that Jim was concerned about some potential life-threatening event occurring with the involved players. Did he bring this (the emails) to the attention of the Feds while they were conducting their investigation? That’s what I’d like to know.
10:02 am on March 9th, 2011
@Freekshow
It isn’t that simple to just pay the players. What about schools that can’t afford to do this? Does a player still get paid if he gets hurt? What about the 3rd stringers, do they get paid the same? If so the stars will think they are being underpaid and get outside cash anyway. What about the other sports? Do they get paid too? I’ll admit the current system isn’t great but just paying the players creates a lot more problems than it solves.
10:20 am on March 9th, 2011
Paying these kids? What’s the going rate for four years worth of tuition and fees at OSU? Or any other school for that matter..
10:31 am on March 9th, 2011
pssspssss !!!!!!!!
10:35 am on March 9th, 2011
Let’s make a deal…we’ll forget about your cheating and lyingat Ohio State if you will drop The!!!!!!!hahahahahahahahahaha
11:51 am on March 9th, 2011
No big deal. This is a no story. He did nothing wrong. I’m sure he reported this to the school. I think he is taking the heat for a much bigger cover up. OSU will continue to win so this story is a non story
12:28 pm on March 9th, 2011
Time after bloody time, I bellowed loudly into Tressel’s CORRUPT mind, learn how to LIE better.
Now, another souless minion of mind will be crucified by that ” hypocritical ” body of N.C.A.A. saints.
And yes, one James Tressel sold his soul to Meeeeeeeeee.
12:47 pm on March 9th, 2011
You want to talk about “lack of institutional control”? Let’s start with a university who employs a coach who is trying to cover up the breaking of NCAA rules, as well as laws being broken, lying to federal officials etc. At some point you have to wonder why ESPN is hush hush? eh?
1:01 pm on March 9th, 2011
Go bucks ! why are these dudes even in trouble for selling items that are there own personal property anyhow.. anyone notice the nice award (trophy) they blacked out so it dont tell wich one it was?
1:02 pm on March 9th, 2011
and was drugs exchanged.. just a little killer nothing special…
i mean this is how the west was won.. bwhaha
1:04 pm on March 9th, 2011
Did these players get enough money to retire on for their trinkets?
Weren’t they given these items… Doesn’t that make them their’s to do with as they please.
Did selling these items have even one small thing to do with anything related to any game or practice at OSU.
Did OSU beat Michigan …AGAIN… Because these guys sold their rings.
Are we going to start investigating Athletes for selling their use Text books with their names in them?
This is all Crap…. The NCAA needs to concentrate on the parents selling their kids to the highest bidder… The Athletes that are juicing to get ahead…. and the equipment being used to protect the Athletes when they play… Things that matter… Not this Crap… Get Over it and Move on… I think someone should start an Investigation of the NCAA and see what they are really up to and where their money comes from.
2:25 pm on March 9th, 2011
Dez Bryant, WR for Ok State, lied to th NCAA about a meeting with Deion Sanders. For that lie the NCAA suspended Bryant for an entire season.
What Tressel did is 1,000x worse. If the NCAA lets this go it will be a dark day for college football.
2:26 pm on March 9th, 2011
Brooks,
You gonna do any digging into the violations Georgia committed with Ray Drew? I know you don’t hesitate to put other schools under the “SbB microscope”… what about your own school?
2:38 pm on March 9th, 2011
I like when he writes “no surprise there.” We all know he is talking about Clarett.
2:39 pm on March 9th, 2011
Dez… For that lie…. look again.
How do you come up with 1,000x ? Must be the newest of math that your school teaches…. or…….. Did you go to school?
I agree wth Really Confused…. If we were the parents of these players what should we be most concerned with…. I don’t believe it would be trading what was theirs to begin with; instead it seems many want to fabricate stories, numbers and names.
Impeach the NCAA… let’s have play-offs intead of pay-offs!!!!
2:50 pm on March 9th, 2011
OSU players are hanging out with a felon drug-dealing tattoo artist who is about to be slammed by the Feds and they sold him a bunch of rings, jerseys, cleats etc. ?
Thanks SPORTSbyBROOKS !! Hope you are feeling better !! Go Bucks !!
3:14 pm on March 9th, 2011
Ok does the term ongoing federal investagtion do u not understand if he had come forward he could have been charged with hindering a federal investagation. Who do u think sent those emails someone that has inside info like maybe he is connected with the feds. Let’s see tell the big ten and go to jail or wait till the feds say it is ok to go public . And maybe get fined or fired at least I’m not in jail.
3:28 pm on March 9th, 2011
Cam Newton’s dad would have got top dollar for those rings and signed memorabilia.
4:58 pm on March 9th, 2011
Sign of a bitter and/or unimaginative college football fan? Lame Cam Newton jokes
5:08 pm on March 9th, 2011
This whole thing smells like a Michigan cheerleader. And to that idiot that said that poor poor pitiful SEC has been accused of cheating this whole time and the Big-10 and the Pac-10 gets away with everything, dude are you smoking cat food. EVERY MAJOR FOOTBALL COLLEGE CHEATS AND EVERY ONE KNOWS IT, so take your cry baby crap up north to the big house where they are trying to figure out how to get a restraining order put on the Buckeyes for many many many years of abuse. At the end of all this everyone will still cheat, the SEC fans will still cry and Michigan will still suck.
6:26 pm on March 9th, 2011
trust me those letters are the real deal.. i know the 2 bit lawyer Chris Cicero that sent them
6:30 pm on March 9th, 2011
and yes he does know certain people with acess to this type of information, because that is how Cicero works.. he has been convicted or charged with more than a few crimes in his day.. like sneakin a phone into an inmate that was in on murder charges and attempted murder of a franklin county prosecter.. just to give you some background on what type of lawyer he is.. i wonder when its going to come out that Cicero was also Eddies lawyer when the feds ran up in his house and thats really why he knew what he did before hand
7:50 pm on March 9th, 2011
Just because someone sends you an email . Do you really believe every word ?
10:03 pm on March 9th, 2011
As a huge Ohio State fan, I must say I am not surprised.
The NCAA is a joke because it is so obviously on the take. Therefore they reinforce the status quo: You can’t be successful in this biz and not get dirt under your nails.
Tress was and always will be human.
He has failures but he clearly has ideals. That is all we can ask for.
He–and we–will be better off for this.
10:35 pm on March 9th, 2011
There is more to the story. And Jim Tressel will not be at fault - wait and see.
11:30 pm on March 9th, 2011
what could possibly be ‘more to the story’ that would exonerate him for lying about this? was there a proverbial gun to his head? i kinda doubt it, but if you osu-ers say so i gotta believe it- after all you’re so much more moral and above board than the rest of us….
12:55 am on March 10th, 2011
Let me get this right. A HEAD coach gets an email about his players hanging out with a drug dealer. Then he finds out they are selling school rings, jersey’s, etc…for tattoos. All he has to say is keep me informed and have a nice Easter. It’s obvious that he had contact with school Head of Compliance Doug Archie. I am an SEC fan, but I am a ture college football fan. For this to happen at any school is devistating to our youth. You don’t find out about your kids hanging out with a drug dealer and not tell the truth. Please people realize that professionalism, ethics and Integrity have to come into light here. God Bless All that are involved and I hope the best for college football. Please NCAA teach our youth that it is not alright to do wrong and get away with it.
6:13 am on March 10th, 2011
I have to agree with a couple of other commenters in this thread. These don’t seem like real emails. It’s suspicious that an attorney would write in that format and with that level of error, and Tressel’s “responses” are just weird. Anyway, whether they’re real or not doesn’t change anything, but…
6:42 am on March 10th, 2011
p.s.s.s.? No way this “lawyer” passed the bar. Shenanigans.
7:00 am on March 10th, 2011
Is no one wondering about lawyer-client privilege? We’re supposed to believe that this guy gave all these warnings, basically telling Tress what went on in private meetings with Rife?
8:53 am on March 10th, 2011
yes, if you knew Cicero you would know that he would do this just for GP with Tress… and about him passing the bar? who knows but he was caught sleeping with a judge who was residing over a case of his once
9:49 am on March 10th, 2011
The fact that Tressel STILL has his job, tells me that Ohio State thinks that they are above the rules of NCAA Basketball.
If the NCAA does NOT come down hard on these violations, then the past Universities that have been punished should ban together and sue.
9:57 am on March 10th, 2011
I just love the way the Blackeye fans think this is a NON story when they pounded Michigan for EXTRA practice infractions.
Good luck with your delusional life.
10:31 am on March 10th, 2011
Speaking of delusional-how about the fans claiming here these are “Fake e-mails”when in fact they have been already investigated by OSU director of compliance Doug Archie, who jumped in and suspended Tressel 2 games hoping to avoid NCAA sanctions. Obviously Archie is the one that made them public. Does anyone recall the Dez Bryant situation-did nothing deemed illegal by NCAA rules but lied to them. Suspended his entire senior season. Tressel’s Lies are worse and punishment should be the same or worse
10:47 am on March 10th, 2011
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10:56 am on March 10th, 2011
Haha, I misspelled sell as swell. Probably just cause me and Pryor just bought a dime bag off Rife and I’m super baked.
J-TREEZY
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11:14 am on March 10th, 2011
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11:22 am on March 10th, 2011
I am an Ohio State Buckeyes fan and have been my whole life. That being said, this situation is unfortunate and really nobody is talking about the most significant part of it all - Eddie Rife is a known and convicted drug trafficker and dealer. I am concerned about how and why the players even know this guy and why they think it is smart to have a relationship with him. I’m also concerned about the possibility of drugs being involved in this situation.
11:24 am on March 10th, 2011
zbacku,
Um, this is football not basketball. Before you comment maybe you should get a clue.
11:40 am on March 10th, 2011
Hey freekshow…. they are “paying” these primadonnas. …..take a look at the value of a
full four year scholarship (instate and/or out of state)….
11:56 am on March 10th, 2011
how is eddie rife the most significant part of it all… he just a man tryin to make a dollar also whats super funny is the raid on his house that turned this shit up was all for nothing, dude didnt even catch a drug charge from this case they speak of
2:11 pm on March 10th, 2011
G-D that guy is the worst attorney in the world. Emailing a guy with a publicly accessible email account mere moments after speaking with a guy facing a federal drug dealing indictment? Tressel is a schmuck, but this dude should not be holding a bar license.
3:55 pm on March 10th, 2011
“our rings arrive this week for 2009 Big Ten….any names from our last discussion?? I would like to hold some collateral if you know what I mean….jt”
3:56 pm on March 10th, 2011
This just in:
Word that a new shipment of Tressel’s 2011 vests arrive this week….heard the NCAA would like to hold some collateral if ya know what I mean. Because God FORBID him to coach a game without the vest. Problem solved now. lol
7:26 pm on March 10th, 2011
All you Buckeyes hater are morons. IF any thing I would send my kids to OSU because their well being is more important than the NCAA. Can’t beat them so laugh until next season when we when AGAIN.
2:32 am on March 11th, 2011
OSU fans don’t realize that they fall in the repeat offender window. LOL For the clueless, it just doesn’t have to be for football! Cheaters
2:34 am on March 11th, 2011
Always thought there was a maize mole at OSU when they were able to beat us so often before Tressel [passing the playbook?].
All this hoopla does not solve the problem of ’star’ student athletes. Everybody makes money off them–but not them. Yes, they get scholarships, but that requires maintaining grades. Study takes time. Maintaining their athletic abilities, which got them them the scholarship
takes time–little or no time to make pocket money. The NCAA needs to address the situation.
10:00 am on March 11th, 2011
For the people who don’t see a problem with the players selling their stuff just look at it this way. Any scholl could just start giving their players expensive gifts such as TV’s, phones, computers etc. and then the players could go out and sell these items, turning them into cash! Presto, we are now paying our players…now do you get the picture….hello anyone out there! Wake up OSU fans!
2:15 pm on March 11th, 2011
Speaking only as a direct mail expert, it is OK to use multiple post scripts.
But it isn’t psss or pssss
It is pps, ppps, etc.
It stands for Partial Postscript or partial partial post script and is sued all the time by hard-selling direct mail writers.
5:09 pm on March 16th, 2011
Any professional knows what you do. If someone brings you something that could potentially damage your employer but it is outside of your “focus”. You bring it to the attention of those whose job it is to handle the issue. You forward the email to your boss (Athletic Director), ur boss’ boss (University President) and the lawyers (compliance office). Tressel just covered it up to save his season. I hope the NCAA crushes tOSU over this.
5:10 pm on April 20th, 2011
O.S.U. has lost its credibility by allowing these players
to play in the bowl game. I have lost all respect for coach Tressel as he is no didderent then the other unethical
coaches and should resign or be FIRED!!!!!
4:40 pm on May 4th, 2011
hello uso buckies,where can i get one of those whimpy sweaters jimmy wears. thanks